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James Nicoll  
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 More options Sep 6, 11:28 am
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From: jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:28:08 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: Mike Brotherton's Ten Things I Hate About Science Fiction
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From: "Default User" <defaultuse...@yahoo.com>
Date: 6 Sep 2008 22:21:42 GMT
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Subject: Re: Mike Brotherton's Ten Things I Hate About Science Fiction

I guess I'm sort of intrigued by the fashion one. Do you think that
hideous fashions are now behind the human race? Are the ones mentioned
in The Doppleganger Gambit really worse than some we've perpetrated in
the past? Think whalebone corsets and hoop skirts, knee-breeches and
powdered wigs, those wide pants the kids were wearing, etc.

Brian

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Dorothy J Heydt  
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From: djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:26:29 GMT
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Subject: Re: Mike Brotherton's Ten Things I Hate About Science Fiction
In article <6ige3lFqmqn...@mid.individual.net>,

Default User <defaultuse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>James Nicoll wrote:

>>        http://www.mikebrotherton.com/?p=802#comments

>I guess I'm sort of intrigued by the fashion one. Do you think that
>hideous fashions are now behind the human race? Are the ones mentioned
>in The Doppleganger Gambit really worse than some we've perpetrated in
>the past? Think whalebone corsets and hoop skirts, knee-breeches and
>powdered wigs, those wide pants the kids were wearing, etc.

Think of what people are wearing *RIGHT NOW*.  Think of Karl
Lagerfeld.

Dorothy J. Heydt
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John F. Eldredge  
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From: "John F. Eldredge" <j...@jfeldredge.com>
Date: 6 Sep 2008 23:51:11 GMT
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Subject: Re: Mike Brotherton's Ten Things I Hate About Science Fiction

If you look at the range of clothing people have worn over the centuries,
you soon come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as "too
bizarre to be fashionable".

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Dimensional Traveler  
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From: "Dimensional Traveler" <dtra...@sonic.net>
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:37:30 -0700
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Subject: Re: Mike Brotherton's Ten Things I Hate About Science Fiction

One of the points of "fashion" is to prove just how much wealthier than
everyone else you are.  If that means making up some strange way of
displaying a dozen different useless but very, very expensive items (like
the left front paw fur of a male Kilosian frog) then by dagnabbit humans
will do it!

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Howard Brazee  
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From: Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net>
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:22:20 -0600
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Subject: Re: Mike Brotherton's Ten Things I Hate About Science Fiction
On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:37:30 -0700, "Dimensional Traveler"

<dtra...@sonic.net> wrote:
>One of the points of "fashion" is to prove just how much wealthier than
>everyone else you are.  If that means making up some strange way of
>displaying a dozen different useless but very, very expensive items (like
>the left front paw fur of a male Kilosian frog) then by dagnabbit humans
>will do it!

I'm not aware of any SF that predicted that clothes would become cheap
enough that they didn't indicate class sufficiently to keep fashion as
important as it once was.    With owners of companies showing up in
blue jeans, not dressed nearly as well as the receptionist.

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James Nicoll  
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 03:35:33 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: Re: Mike Brotherton's Ten Things I Hate About Science Fiction
In article <6ige3lFqmqn...@mid.individual.net>,
Default User <defaultuse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>James Nicoll wrote:

>>        http://www.mikebrotherton.com/?p=802#comments

>I guess I'm sort of intrigued by the fashion one. Do you think that
>hideous fashions are now behind the human race? Are the ones mentioned
>in The Doppleganger Gambit really worse than some we've perpetrated in
>the past? Think whalebone corsets and hoop skirts, knee-breeches and
>powdered wigs, those wide pants the kids were wearing, etc.

        No, I -liked- that part of TDG. Why should when I was a teen
have to be the worse point in fashion taste in western history?  
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Dorothy J Heydt  
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 04:05:34 GMT
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Subject: Re: Mike Brotherton's Ten Things I Hate About Science Fiction
In article <6igjbeFq0hi...@mid.individual.net>,
John F. Eldredge <j...@jfeldredge.com> wrote:

Oh yes.  Bizarre clothing we've always had with us.  But never
such *ugly* bizarre clothing in the present day.

If you have a strong stomach, in communication with your
funnybone, I recommend a site called "Go Fug Yourself" (where
"fugly" officially stands for "frightfully ugly," though there
have been other interpretations).

http://gofugyourself.celebuzz.com/

Ugly garments that prominent, or semiprominent, people have been
seen wearing in public.

Dorothy J. Heydt
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Dimensional Traveler  
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From: "Dimensional Traveler" <dtra...@sonic.net>
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:35:05 -0700
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Subject: Re: Mike Brotherton's Ten Things I Hate About Science Fiction

Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:37:30 -0700, "Dimensional Traveler"
> <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote:

>> One of the points of "fashion" is to prove just how much wealthier
>> than everyone else you are.  If that means making up some strange
>> way of displaying a dozen different useless but very, very expensive
>> items (like the left front paw fur of a male Kilosian frog) then by
>> dagnabbit humans will do it!

> I'm not aware of any SF that predicted that clothes would become cheap
> enough that they didn't indicate class sufficiently to keep fashion as
> important as it once was.    With owners of companies showing up in
> blue jeans, not dressed nearly as well as the receptionist.

Have you noticed how expensive some jeans are these days?

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From: phoe...@ofb.net (Damien Sullivan)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 06:39:04 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: Re: Mike Brotherton's Ten Things I Hate About Science Fiction

Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>I'm not aware of any SF that predicted that clothes would become cheap
>enough that they didn't indicate class sufficiently to keep fashion as
>important as it once was.    With owners of companies showing up in
>blue jeans, not dressed nearly as well as the receptionist.

Though I liked someone asking "where are the silver unisex jumpsuits?"
and someone replied "we HAVE unisex outfits, it's called jeans and a
T-shirt.  It's like the future, only comfortable."

-xx- Damien X-)


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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 02:02:19 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Mike Brotherton's Ten Things I Hate About Science Fiction
On Sep 6, 9:35 pm, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

> In article <6ige3lFqmqn...@mid.individual.net>,Default User <defaultuse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >James Nicoll wrote:

> >>        http://www.mikebrotherton.com/?p=802#comments

> >I guess I'm sort of intrigued by the fashion one. Do you think that
> >hideous fashions are now behind the human race? Are the ones mentioned
> >in The Doppleganger Gambit really worse than some we've perpetrated in
> >the past? Think whalebone corsets and hoop skirts, knee-breeches and
> >powdered wigs, those wide pants the kids were wearing, etc.

>         No, I -liked- that part of TDG. Why should when I was a teen
> have to be the worse point in fashion taste in western history?

The URL in that discussion pointed to too tiny a picture to be useful;
I tried Google image search with no better luck, and finally went to
Amazon to find a picture I could use.

OK, minidress with high boots for the woman; sweater with overalls for
the man. Not great, but it suggests "futuristic" by looking funny.
Surely SF has produced worse?

John Savard


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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 06:06:46 -0400
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Subject: Re: Mike Brotherton's Ten Things I Hate About Science Fiction

jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>         No, I -liked- that part of TDG. Why should when I was a teen
> have to be the worse point in fashion taste in western history?

Because the Golden Age of Science Fiction had just ended! Obviously!