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Mike Schilling  
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 More options Jul 1 2006, 9:24 am
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From: "Mike Schilling" <mscottschill...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 15:24:32 GMT
Local: Sat, Jul 1 2006 9:24 am
Subject: Re: Imagining the Tenth Dimension

"Rob" <r...@tenthdimension.com> wrote in message

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>I also really like Ian Stewart's "Flatterland", another book written as
> a sequal to Abbott's classic.  It gets into branes, complex topologies,
> ideas about "partial" dimensions, and other modern geometries, written
> in a style that is about as light as you can get when discussing such
> complex ideas.

I'd never heard of this one. Thanks.

I see on Amazon that there's yet another sequel called _Spaceland_, by Rudy
Rucker.  Has anyone read that?


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Jon Schild  
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 More options Jul 1 2006, 10:35 am
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From: Jon Schild <j...@aros.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 09:35:41 -0700
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Subject: Re: Imagining the Tenth Dimension

And Asimov's three "Understanding Physics" books.  They are a little
dated now, but still excellent.  He starts out assuming you know
nothing, and explains everything very well.

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Rob  
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 More options Jul 2 2006, 8:49 am
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From: "Rob" <r...@tenthdimension.com>
Date: 2 Jul 2006 07:49:23 -0700
Local: Sun, Jul 2 2006 8:49 am
Subject: Re: Imagining the Tenth Dimension

ewo...@aol.com wrote:

> Well, fine, I guess.  Although I can't then understand why you think
> your "flight of fancy" has anything to say about "consciousness",
> "spirituality", or "free will and quantum indeterminacy".

Greetings,
Here's the thing - once people have viewed my animations, they have
been given a new way of imagining higher dimensional geometries (which,
I will say again, is not the teaching of mainstream physics, it is just
my crazy idea).  In the book that accompanies the site, those
animations become the first chapter. There are then ten more chapters
that get into discussions of how this "way of imagining" can also be
applied to a very broad range of ideas from cosmology, quantum physics,
memes, fringe science, metaphysics, time travel paradoxes, science
fiction, and so on.
Those additional ideas are discussed briefly in the chapter summaries
on the website. But if you have watched the animations and don't see
how this way of imagining is all about "free will and quantum
indeterminacy" then I would ask you to please watch again, because that
is really the key to the whole idea, and all the other ideas listed
above flow from that one.

Always up for a good discussion!

Rob
www.tenthdimension.com


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El Puerco  
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 More options Jul 4 2006, 12:55 am
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From: "El Puerco" <arr...@soap.fan>
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 01:55:57 -0500
Local: Tues, Jul 4 2006 12:55 am
Subject: Re: Imagining the Tenth Dimension
"Rob" <r...@tenthdimension.com> wrote in message

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> Okay then, here's my simple answer.  There are parts of science that
> say time is not a dimension, but there are also string theorists who
> are convinced that time is nothing more than an illusion.  The
> animations on my website present a new way of thinking about time,
> space, and string theory which is not the commonly accepted viewpoint
> of mainstream physics, but which may be useful as a tool for trying to
> imagine how there could be other universes out there which are just as
> real as ours but are invisible to us. As the creator of this "new way
> of thinking" and holder of the copyright on the animations, I would
> only ask that you give credit to me as the author of these ideas when
> you show these animations to your students.

Good things to mention, I'm sure.  Oh and students just go to websites now
so they'll see whatever credits any other visitors see.  This is the 21st
century, after all.  ;-)

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Phillip SanMiguel  
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 More options Jul 4 2006, 2:06 pm
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From: Phillip SanMiguel <pmig...@purdue.edu>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:06:23 -0400
Local: Tues, Jul 4 2006 2:06 pm
Subject: Re: Imagining the Tenth Dimension

Here is how to watch the whole flash presentation without getting bored
because of the slow download speed. I've got about 1.5 Mbps download
rate--I can actually see that on internet speed download speed tests. It
probably took 10-15 minutes for the entire presentation to completely
download. I'm doubting that the presentation is 100 megabytes, so I
presume there is some other bottleneck.

Anyway, go to the site:

http://www.tenthdimension.com

It takes a little while for the first page to load, but if everything
goes well, you will see a little right-handed helix rotating about a
line. If you click on the "0" end of the the line, the presentation begins.

Unless you were a teenager before MTV launched, you will find the wait
too long to be worthwhile. But you can just keep your newsbrowser open
and read a newsgroup until you start to hear Mr. Bryanton's voice. At
that point switch to the browser window and watch. You will see an
"episode" of the presentation--usually 1 dimension. When the
"downloading assets" icon appears, flip back to the newsgroup and read
some more.

I've watched it twice. It seems pretty wacky to me. You'll see some
_Flatlander_ tropes, but also Brian Greene's ant from _Elegant
Universe_. I'm fairly tolerant of flash presentations. This one struck
me as not in the least objectionable. Actually it is as minimalist as
one is likely to see--in flash.

To answer Gene's question: Basically you just go through the first 3
dimensions 3 times, at the end of each collapsing the entirety of that
structure into a point and starting again. First time you have the
entire lifetime of our universe, the second time all possible lifetimes
of our universe, the third time all possible lifetimes of all
universes--including those that start from different initial conditions
from our own.

All in all, I find it a little haunting. Any physicists want to comment?

Phillip


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Scott_M  
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 More options Jul 9 2006, 2:00 pm
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From: "Scott_M" <sc...@phoenixlabs.info>
Date: 9 Jul 2006 13:00:04 -0700
Local: Sun, Jul 9 2006 2:00 pm
Subject: Re: Imagining the Tenth Dimension

Phillip SanMiguel wrote:
> All in all, I find it a little haunting. Any physicists want to comment?

Not an actual physicist, however I know that the ten/eleven/twenty-one
dimensions of string theory give rise to few of the higher dimensional
effects presented.

However, in as much as giving the ability to conceptualize higher
dimensions the flash is great.

I just wish the intro didn't make it seem like the ideas presented had
the backing of string theory. I know that this was supposed to be
avoided, but several people I've shown the flash to thought that the
presentation was an explaination of string theory itself, not just
higher dimensions.


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