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jmcquown  
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 More options Sep 6, 4:05 pm
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From: "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net>
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:05:33 -0400
Local: Sat, Sep 6 2008 4:05 pm
Subject: Corn Farmers Fight Back?
In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards warding
off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in foods.  I finally
made note of the URL:  http://www.sweetsurprise.com/  From that site there's
a link to www.HFCSfacts.com

They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN! :)

Jill


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jmcquown  
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From: "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net>
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:37:01 -0400
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Subject: Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

You can read into it:  corn lobbyists.

I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut brittle.
I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor anything
else I wanted to add it to.  I don't drink soda pop (Coca Cola, Sprite,
yada, yada).  And I don't care to drink ethanol, even though it could be
construed as "corn squeezin's".

Jill


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Mark Thorson  
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From: Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net>
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:28:45 -0700
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Subject: Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

aem wrote:

> On Sep 6, 3:05 pm, "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards warding
> > off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in foods.  I finally
> > made note of the URL:  http://www.sweetsurprise.com/ From that site there's
> > a link towww.HFCSfacts.com

> > They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
> > since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN! :)

> Fight back?  Against what?  They have never ever before made as much
> as they're making right now.  Who should be fighting back are those
> who want them to grow corn to eat, not to be made into HFCS and not to
> be made into ethanol.    -aem

It's sugar price supports which make U.S. sugar
2X to 4X the world price.  We would not have a domestic
beet sugar industry without these price supports,
and only a small cane sugar industry (mostly in P.R.).

Sugar price supports have decimated the U.S. candy
industry, with most of it moving to Canada and Mexico.

You can't use HFCS to make most forms of candy, because
it doesn't easily set up into a solid, unlike sucrose.
However, HFCS is perfectly adaptable to liquid products
like soda, so we have this weird situation in which
sucrose is price-controlled at very high prices, but
a new product (HFCS) makes an end-run around the price
controls for the big cola companies.  You have major
interests supporting the continuation of price supports,
and then other interests which support the loophole.

Who gets screwed is the U.S. small- to mid-size candy
manufacturers, and all U.S. candy manufacturers are
small- to mid-size manufacturers compared to the cola
companies.


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From: enigma <eni...@evil.net>
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:45:56 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Sat, Sep 6 2008 7:45 pm
Subject: Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?
"jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net> wrote in
news:q_ednfVRxODbv17VnZ2dnUVZ_qrinZ2d@comcast.com:

> I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making
> peanut brittle. I cannot think of anything else I purposely
> purchased it for nor anything else I wanted to add it to.

 corn syrup isn't the same thing as HFCS. corn syrup is just
as natural as cane sugar syrup. HFCS is chemically produced in
a lab.
lee

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I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
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From: sf
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:35:38 -0700
Local: Sat, Sep 6 2008 8:35 pm
Subject: Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?
On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:37:01 -0400, "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut brittle.
>I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor anything
>else I wanted to add it to.

I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
choose to add it.  I also don't want beet sugar in my food.  I want
cane sugar.

--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West


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From: sf
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:36:33 -0700
Local: Sat, Sep 6 2008 8:36 pm
Subject: Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?
On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:45:56 +0000 (UTC), enigma <eni...@evil.net>
wrote:

> corn syrup isn't the same thing as HFCS. corn syrup is just
>as natural as cane sugar syrup. HFCS is chemically produced in
>a lab.

Thanks!  Many of us didn't know that.

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I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West


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Cheryl  
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From: "Cheryl" <jlhsha...@SPAMhotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 23:27:28 -0400
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Subject: Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

"sf" wrote in message news:mgf6c4lv832s89hn46m5c0cj6c0uv0mt7o@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:45:56 +0000 (UTC), enigma <eni...@evil.net>
> wrote:

>> corn syrup isn't the same thing as HFCS. corn syrup is just
>>as natural as cane sugar syrup. HFCS is chemically produced in
>>a lab.

> Thanks!  Many of us didn't know that.

I've seen those ads, too, that Jill posted about and I didn't know the
difference either.

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George Cebulka  
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From: George Cebulka <g...@pitt.edu>
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:03:54 -0400
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Subject: Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?
enigma wrote:
> "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:q_ednfVRxODbv17VnZ2dnUVZ_qrinZ2d@comcast.com:

>> I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making
>> peanut brittle. I cannot think of anything else I purposely
>> purchased it for nor anything else I wanted to add it to.

>  corn syrup isn't the same thing as HFCS. corn syrup is just
> as natural as cane sugar syrup. HFCS is chemically produced in
> a lab.
> lee

Everthing your wanted to know about HFCS....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fructose_corn_syrup#Labeling_as_.22...


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From: Omelet <ompome...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:48:35 -0500
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Subject: Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?
In article <O8ydnQzz4_hYY1_VnZ2dnUVZ_jadn...@comcast.com>,

 "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards warding
> off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in foods.  I finally
> made note of the URL:  http://www.sweetsurprise.com/  From that site there's
> a link to www.HFCSfacts.com

> They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
> since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN! :)

> Jill

It also is famous for contributing to Insulin resistance which can lead
to type II diabetes...

They need to just use whole corn for what it's meant to be used for.

Food.
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Peace! Om

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From: "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:13:38 -0400
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Subject: Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

jmcquown wrote:
> In the past week I've seen an ad a couple of times geared towards
> warding off the anti-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) sentiment in
> foods.  I finally made note of the URL:  http://www.sweetsurprise.com/  
>  From that site there's a link to www.HFCSfacts.com

> They're obviously starting to feel a pinch in consumer rejection of HFCS
> since they're running ads to tell us IT'S MADE FROM CORN! :)

> Jill

Interesting.  And one would think with corn's use for ethanol (and
I won't get into the wisdom of that), they wouldn't care so much
about its use in food.  *I* hope that as corn and HFCS become more
expensive, manufacturers will turn back to sugar--or (gasp!) they
could stop putting sweetener into everything.  But, as I type
this, I can see that the younger folks would think that is how the
savory foods should taste, and they would be unhappy if they
weren't sweet!!!!!

--
Jean B.


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Terry  
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From: Terry <prfes...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:04:54 -0500
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Subject: Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:35:38 -0700, sf wrote:
>I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
>choose to add it.  I also don't want beet sugar in my food.  I want
>cane sugar.

Hmm... IIRC white table sugar, whether from sugar beets or sugarcane,
is >96% sucrose, though the two can be distinguished by careful lab
tests. (Probably not by me, it's been too many years since I did any
real analytical chemistry...)

I'm not saying beet sugar is better or worse than cane sugar, just
wondering the basis of a claim that one is better/worse than the
other.

Molasses from the two apparently are significantly different.

Best -- Terry


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 More options Sep 7, 9:42 am
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From: blake murphy <blakepmNOTT...@verizon.net>
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:42:47 GMT
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Subject: Re: Corn Farmers Fight Back?

On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:35:38 -0700, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:37:01 -0400, "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net>
> wrote:

>>I'll admit I have purposely purchased corn syrup for making peanut brittle.
>>I cannot think of anything else I purposely purchased it for nor anything
>>else I wanted to add it to.

> I buy it to make pecan pie, but I don't want it in my food unless *I*
> choose to add it.  I also don't want beet sugar in my food.  I want
> cane sugar.

good luck with that.

your pal,
blake


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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:47:08 GMT
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