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Eeyore  
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 More options Sep 7, 12:57 am
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.components, rec.audio.pro, sci.electronics.repair
From: Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:57:12 +0100
Local: Sun, Sep 7 2008 12:57 am
Subject: Looking for this switch (Midas Venice solo switch)
I'm repairing a Midas Venice mixing console. Try and avoid doing so.
It's a nightmare

Despite the agent's tech insisting that the 'solo' switches are 'self
cleaning', no amount of exercising them will prevent 2 of them behaving
intermittently.

They are pcb vertical mount types, i.e. the control surface is a series
of large flat double sided boards. From appearance I guessed the
switches to be ALPS but the German parts list gives the following
reference as best as I can decode it.

SCHALTER-TAST 4XUM 1 switch 4pdt

It's a latching type btw.

Any help sourcing same would be appreciated. I only need 2 but knowing
this beast one or two more might pack up !

Thanks,   Graham


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 More options Sep 7, 1:18 am
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From: "Soundhaspriority" <nowh...@nowhere.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 03:18:19 -0400
Local: Sun, Sep 7 2008 1:18 am
Subject: Re: Looking for this switch (Midas Venice solo switch)

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:48C37B48.397EF24F@hotmail.com...

I have a bunch of finds, none of which may be relevant, but I pass them on
to you. The most interesting is
http://www.henri-electronic.de/start.php?P_989.php, which depicts a
bat-handle Schalter 4XUM.

Have a look at the below link. From what I gather, the actual brand is
"Schalter", which is owned by Assmann. "Tast" is German for "test", which I
suppose is actually a colloquial expression of a function, I don't know
what.

Page down. Besides the DIP switches, there is a type called a "taster."
http://www.bimel.com.tr/urun/pdf/assmann/elkcomp/08-assmann-wsw-ec-sw...

Also, google for "SCHALTER 4XUM"

Bob Morein
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Franc Zabkar  
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 More options Sep 7, 2:18 am
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From: Franc Zabkar <fzab...@iinternode.on.net>
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:18:55 +1000
Local: Sun, Sep 7 2008 2:18 am
Subject: Re: Looking for this switch (Midas Venice solo switch)
On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:57:12 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> put finger to keyboard and
composed:

>SCHALTER-TAST 4XUM 1 switch 4pdt

I suspect 4xUM means 4PDT, and SCHALTER-TAST means switch-tactile.

- Franc Zabkar
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Franc Zabkar  
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 More options Sep 7, 2:21 am
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From: Franc Zabkar <fzab...@iinternode.on.net>
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:21:54 +1000
Local: Sun, Sep 7 2008 2:21 am
Subject: Re: Looking for this switch (Midas Venice solo switch)
On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:18:55 +1000, Franc Zabkar
<fzab...@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:57:12 +0100, Eeyore
><rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> put finger to keyboard and
>composed:

>>SCHALTER-TAST 4XUM 1 switch 4pdt

>I suspect 4xUM means 4PDT, and SCHALTER-TAST means switch-tactile.

http://www.babylon.com/definition/Tastschalter/English

Tastschalter

n. push button, press button, electric switch that operates via a
pressing

- Franc Zabkar
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Eeyore  
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 More options Sep 7, 2:48 am
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From: Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:48:52 +0100
Local: Sun, Sep 7 2008 2:48 am
Subject: Re: Looking for this switch (Midas Venice solo switch)

Franc Zabkar wrote:
> Eeyore put finger to keyboard and composed:

> >SCHALTER-TAST 4XUM 1 switch 4pdt

> I suspect 4xUM means 4PDT, and SCHALTER-TAST means switch-tactile.

That sounds very likely indeed.

I'd imagined SCHALTER might be the brand but that puts a new light on
it. However browsing the ALPS website which I took to be the best bet, I
couldn't find any 4 pole switches of that style. Maybe I'll look again.

Many thanks anyway.

Graham


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Eeyore  
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 More options Sep 7, 2:50 am
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From: Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:50:03 +0100
Local: Sun, Sep 7 2008 2:50 am
Subject: Re: Looking for this switch (Midas Venice solo switch)

Franc Zabkar wrote:
> Franc Zabkar put finger to keyboard and composed:
> >Eeyore put finger to keyboard and composed:

> >>SCHALTER-TAST 4XUM 1 switch 4pdt

> >I suspect 4xUM means 4PDT, and SCHALTER-TAST means switch-tactile.

> http://www.babylon.com/definition/Tastschalter/English

> Tastschalter

> n. push button, press button, electric switch that operates via a
> pressing

Indeed it is.

Graham


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Eeyore  
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 More options Sep 7, 2:57 am
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From: Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:57:32 +0100
Local: Sun, Sep 7 2008 2:57 am
Subject: Re: Looking for this switch (Midas Venice solo switch)

Nope, none of those. That's when consoles had 'real' switches instead of using
consumer parts ! You'll find those on my first home-made desk.

> Have a look at the below link. From what I gather, the actual brand is
> "Schalter", which is owned by Assmann. "Tast" is German for "test", which I
> suppose is actually a colloquial expression of a function, I don't know
> what.

> Page down. Besides the DIP switches, there is a type called a "taster."
> http://www.bimel.com.tr/urun/pdf/assmann/elkcomp/08-assmann-wsw-ec-sw...

Those are the small low profile tact(ile) switches. This one is much taller.

> Also, google for "SCHALTER 4XUM"

No luck with that other than blind alleys.

From Franc's comments I'm thinking again it may be more likely to be an ALPS part
that I didn't see in the online catalogue. Midas do make a point of using ALPS
parts.

Graham


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Boris Lau  
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 More options Sep 7, 3:54 am
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From: Boris Lau <boris....@stud.tu-ilmenau.de>
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:54:18 +0200
Local: Sun, Sep 7 2008 3:54 am
Subject: Re: Looking for this switch (Midas Venice solo switch)
Soundhaspriority schrieb:

> Have a look at the below link. From what I gather, the actual brand is
> "Schalter", which is owned by Assmann. "Tast" is German for "test", which I
> suppose is actually a colloquial expression of a function, I don't know
> what.

Schalter means switch. "Tast" is most probably an abbreviation for
"Taster", which is a switch that closes (or opens) the connection only
as long as you push it, rather than making the connection until you push
it again. What would be the English term for that kind of switch?

The German word for "test" is "test" as well.

Best from Germany ;-)
Boris

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 More options Sep 7, 5:03 am
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From: Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:03:23 +0100
Local: Sun, Sep 7 2008 5:03 am
Subject: Re: Looking for this switch (Midas Venice solo switch)

Boris Lau wrote:
> Soundhaspriority schrieb:
> > Have a look at the below link. From what I gather, the actual brand is
> > "Schalter", which is owned by Assmann. "Tast" is German for "test", which I
> > suppose is actually a colloquial expression of a function, I don't know
> > what.

> Schalter means switch. "Tast" is most probably an abbreviation for
> "Taster", which is a switch that closes (or opens) the connection only
> as long as you push it, rather than making the connection until you push
> it again. What would be the English term for that kind of switch?

Momentary as opposed to latching.

But this is actually a latching switch. Maybe I selected the wrong part number.

Graham


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Boris Lau  
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From: Boris Lau <boris....@stud.tu-ilmenau.de>
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:06:40 +0200
Local: Sun, Sep 7 2008 5:06 am
Subject: Re: Looking for this switch (Midas Venice solo switch)

Eeyore wrote:
> But this is actually a latching switch. Maybe I selected the wrong part number.

Let me know if you need more German assistance ;-)

Boris


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From: "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au>
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:20:39 +1000
Local: Sun, Sep 7 2008 6:20 am
Subject: Re: Looking for this switch (Midas Venice solo switch)

"Eeysore"

> I'm repairing a Midas Venice mixing console. Try and avoid doing so.
> It's a nightmare

> Despite the agent's tech insisting that the 'solo' switches are 'self
> cleaning', no amount of exercising them will prevent 2 of them behaving
> intermittently.

** Obviously  YOU  lack the necessary Midas touch  !!!!!

Maybe just a little WD40 down the shaft will do the trick -  not a whole
flood of it mind you.

Don't want that precious console to wind up looking like Venice.....

.....  Phil   ;-)


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 More options Sep 7, 12:14 pm
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From: Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@charter.net>
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:14:44 -0400
Local: Sun, Sep 7 2008 12:14 pm
Subject: Re: Looking for this switch (Midas Venice solo switch)

Momentary ?

    That is a switch you must hold and will release (off) when you left go.
http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"


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